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March 09, 2006

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James Clark

Considering the ANC and Hamas to be fundamentally similar organizations can only be explained if the fool doing it is *completely* ignoring the fundamental philosophies of the two parties.

The ANC fought for freedom for all South Africans... It was forced into using violence after many years, as you've said. Hamas, on the other hand, is an organization dedicated to the annihilation of the Jewish state and the establishment of a brutal Islamic theocracy in its place...

Even suggesting that the ANC and Hamas are vaguely similar is a grave insult to the memory of the heroes who died in our struggle for freedom.

Wessel

Question: Could one compare the PLO to the ANC?

Neri Bar-On

Shalom from Tel-Aviv.

I wish to point out to you the work of Dr. Don Beck who worote with Graham Linscott, The Crucible: Forging South Africa’s Future, 1991, ISBN 0-62016241-4

Dr. Beck did 63 consulting trips to South Africa between 1981 and 1988. He was honored in l996 by a Joint Resolution of the Texas House and Senate with these words: "The Texas House and Senate takes great pride in commending a truly remarkable Texan, Dr. Don Edward Beck, for his invaluable contributions toward the peaceful creation of a democratic South Africa."

He is now visiting the middle east and you are invited to see his use of South Africa analisys in relation to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict


http://yeshe.zaadz.com/blog/2007/5/don_beck_in_tel_aviv

http://yeshe.zaadz.com/blog/2007/6/don_beck_in_tel_aviv_-_part_2

and

http://www.humanemergencemiddleeast.org/build-palestine-blog/

http://www.integralleadershipreview.com/archives/2007_03/2007_03_maalouf.html

A Party

I have just returned to South Africa after 6 years in Dubai and started my own political party to take part in next year's elections. All the intellectual talk about the rulings party's woes make interesting reading but it boils down to a matter of 'cannot see the wood for the trees'. Their little squabbles are not going to change the current course of the country. The perceptions from abroad are that South Africa is on the skids. The country is on that slippery slide downhill and will soon be where the rest of Africa finds itself. The spectre of another Zimbabwe is looming. I do not believe that the country needs a radical new political ideology to drive it. It only needs good management. We must guard our Constitution and make things happen. That's what I am all about. Read more on my website at www.aparty.org.za.
Regards,
Mr. A

Roger

The ANC murder, pillage, rape & slaughter by proxy. The murder rate in this once stunning country has all but surpassed Columbia by this communists minded goverment. There is no differenc between the ANC & Hamas. Their tactics may differ, but don't be fooled for one minute in to a sense of complacency. Apartheid hasn't gone any where ! It's just re-grouped and taken on a more pc acceptable form. Now it's black against white minority. To the UN and others of it's ilk that's more than acceptable ! Murder is a past time in this now G-od forsaken country. More have been murdered with impunity in ZA in ONE year than all the years of apartheid put together. Born liberal, raised Right. Sleep with one eye open ! Reg, Roger.

Glen

The PLO is roughly comparable to the ANC in its ideology and strategy (though with weaker leadership). Hamas is comparable to the PAC or AZAPO, which were indeed in favor of "destroying the white state," nationalizing white land without compensation, chasing white people into the sea etc. I will note that De Klerk unbanned these groups and negotiated with them, and the peace settlement would not have worked without this full participation. Israel, too, should hold its nose and start to deal with Hamas.

Regrettably I agree with Tutu that Israel's policy in the occupied territories--not in Israel itself, where Arabs have most civil rights, but in West Bank and Gaza--is very comparable to apartheid: Palestinians have been denied civil rights for more than forty years and have been subjected to the control of a another people.

exhaust

Hamas. Their tactics may differ, but don't be fooled for one minute in to a sense of complacency. Apartheid hasn't gone any where ! It's just re-grouped and taken on a more pc acceptable form. Now it's black against white minority. To the UN and others of it's ilk that's more than acceptable ! Murder is a past time in this now G-od forsaken country.

ffxiv gil

Regrettably I agree with Tutu that Israel's policy in the occupied territories--not in Israel itself, where Arabs have most civil rights, but in West Bank and Gaza--is very comparable to apartheid: Palestinians have been denied civil rights for more than forty years and have been subjected to the control of a another people.

Religious Fundamentalist 1

I think it's high time Tutu admitted to the apartheid in current SA where poor Zimbabweans are denied their civil rights and are kept separate from a prosperous and developing South African economy by ferocious barbed wire and electric fencing, such that they are unable to leave their bantustan of Zimbabwe.

Dominic Caraccilo

The quality of life and security for the citizens has been largely restored and we are a large part of why that has happened.

Nasdaq7

This is absolute nonsense. This is now the greatest lies - 10x worse than Hamas lies.

Google List of MK operations

Nasdaq7

They dozed people in petrol and set them alight. Their own people.

800+ people were recorded to have been killed like that.

The ANC, their weapons, their tactics was Hamas tactics. Bombings, car bombings, restaurants, discos, churches, courts targeted, homes of police officers and politicians, automatic bank tellers, post offices, municipal offices, shopping centres, schools, trains, amusement parks, bus terminals, hospitals.

These operations may have happened in the 1980s - at the end of the war, but it did happen.

Open the TRC report or google: list of mk operations

You better start negotiating with Hamas. We Afrikaners did negotiate with Hamas like terrorists. I hate this insensitive website.

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