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May 12, 2005

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Gaza-man

I knew I had to swing by today for a sneak peek. Something in my well-worn-opium-smuggling boots said "Go check that supernatural webpage out"!

You're perfectly correct about her empty corrections. I was waiting for her to attack specific points and say things like "I didn't say 'bla bla bla', I said 'bla bla I hate Israel bla bla bla'" You know, stuff like that. Oh well!

Steve

Thanks

Anti-UN

She thinks Israel were going to ethnically cleanse (genocide) the Palistinians!

Head Heeb writes

"If the word "Zionism" has been defined to its extreme, then the term "genocide," in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, has undergone exactly the opposite metamorphosis. The definition of genocide is well established in international law. Article 6 of the Rome Statute defines it as follows:


... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


The key phrase is the one defining the mens rea - that, in order to constitute genocide, an act must be undertaken "with intent to destroy" a national, ethnic, racial or religious group. There is a notable lack of intent among Israelis to destroy the Palestinian ethnic/national group as such. Even the far-right Herut does not advocate the physical or cultural destruction of the Palestinians. Instead, Herut advocates mass deportation, which is arguably a crime against humanity but is not genocide. And the mainstream of Israeli politics, which rejects transfer and recognizes the inevitability of a Palestinian state, is devoid of any desire to destroy the Palestinian people.

The term "genocide" was never intended to encompass killings in battle or anti-terrorist curfews. It is possible to question the legality of such things, but calling them "genocide" is an unconscionable trivialization of the term. It is an insult to the 800,000 Tutsi killed in Rwanda, or the millions who now face starvation in Matabeleland as a result of the Zimbabwe government's food distribution policies."

Gaza-man

Commenting on your "Update", I think Steinfeld uses the "scare quotes" because "you" used the word "expert". I "think" that "maybe" there was nothing "melicious" about it, OR "perhaps" she may be disputing the word "expert", as if to say "Although YOU used the word expert which I will use here because YOU did, MANY OTHER people may dispute that fact". But that's just my opinion.

Don't fight too much, I'm going back to my olive tree vinyard to make me some explosives! See you guys in aa couple of weeks when I get past the security check points!

Steve

She is disputing my calling hm an expert. But Jewish Voices brought him to the meeting because he is acknowledged in SA as an expert on the M.E.

He is left wing when it comes to Israeli politics, that is the irony of it all.

Nurit Steinfeld

It's been a long time but a friend of mine mentioned that he read this and I looked it up to see what he was talking about.
You seem rather lame, getting all excited about my use of quotes, accusing me of saying that Israel is planning to commit genocide (I never said that), criticizing my spelling, getting excited about my imagination....perhaps you have nothing better to do...but this isn't a very interesting discussion there is just a lot of hartred and pettiness here.

Nurit Steinfeld

It's been a long time but a friend of mine mentioned that he read this and I looked it up to see what he was talking about.
You seem rather lame, getting all excited about my use of quotes, accusing me of saying that Israel is planning to commit genocide (I never said that), criticizing my spelling, getting excited about my imagination....perhaps you have nothing better to do...but this isn't a very interesting discussion there is just a lot of hate and pettiness here.

Steve

Nurit, I know you didnt say that Israel was planning to commit genocide.

But you did sign a petition that warned of Israel planning to commit full fledged ethnic cleansing.

Maybe if you in SA again some time in the future we can get together and discuss our dispute rationally and reasonably.

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