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October 05, 2008

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BLACKLISTED DICTATOR

Steve,

Perhaps the archbishop has found some biblical authority for only voting Mbeki ANC?

" Verilly it came to pass, that the good lord sayeth " Desmond, thou must go forth into Africa and only vote Mbeki ANC. If thou doesn't, thou will no longer be allowed to journey in the promised land with the UNHRC."

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR

Steve,
TUTU: "I can’t go and speak about the situation in Gaza as I have done and keep quiet about our situation here. "

The Archbishop has finally spotted the irony of his UNHRC role. Mazaltov!

Well...how about Tutu inviting a human rights delegation from Israel to investigate human rights abuses in South Africa? It could start with the appalling mortality rate in SA and compare it to the longevity in Gaza.
Or perhaps Jews don't have his moral authority?

I noticed that in the interview Tutu failed to condemn Mbeki and Manto for their appalling Aids policies. He rightly condemned RDP housing, but he didn't mention Aids!

Why on earth can't Tutu vote DA and why wasn't the question put to him? Evidence perhaps that when push comes to shove, The Sunday Times has to close ranks and support the ANC?
Is the real reason that a black man in South Africa can't bring himself to vote for a white woman. Is Tutu a misogynistic racist? If he isn't, why isn't Helen Zille considered as a possible contender for his vote?

Gary

Dammit, Anthony, the DA is not the only alterntaive to the ANC. There are other opposition parties too.
There is actually an abundance of choices.
Regarding the DA they will have to put more Black people in leadership positions if they want to increase their share of the vote, something they have resisted doing for the last 14 years.
Out of 9 provinicial DA leaders only 1 is of colour. Even in the Western Cape they rejected Lennit Max in favour of a while AFrikaaner old Nat, Theuns Botha.
I agree that the ANC should be opposed and that people must stop voting for them but you seem to think that the only other option is Helen Zille and the DA, which it is not.

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR

Gary,
I know that you are an IDF supporter.
Apologies for my view that Helen Zille is the most impressive SA opposition politician. By far!!
The political issue is not what colour you are but what are you saying. If South Africa wants to survive it will have to get over its obsession with race... by yesterday.

Gary

The point is is you wantto be a signiffican political force than you have to take into account the demographic realities in a country.

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR

Gary,
The question is whether the opposition, if elected, would be any better than The ANC. It is no good betting on the wrong horse even if that horse wins.
Black South Africans should wake-up to the fact that there is a highly intelligent white woman out there, namely Heln Zille, who can lead this country.
If they refuse to acknowledge this fact, because they are black and she is white, then they have only themselves to blame.

Gary

Anthony, it's not just about Zille's leadership.
The DA rank and fil have at all levels of government rejected leaders of colour.
For example when ever there is a provincial election contest within the DA between a white leader and aleader of colour, the DA rank and file elect the white leader, even if the chosen leader is less inspiring.
In the Western Cape Lennit Max ran for provincial leader against Theuns Botha. Lennit Max was the better man but the colourless Theuns Botha won simply because he is white.
The DA will lose massive coulored support in that province because of that decision.

Gary

It is because I want to see a stron opposition and the possibility of a change of government that I get so frustrated with the DA's unofficial whites only leadership policy.

Derikboy

I'm not at all surprised by this, Gary is right, there is a real understanding out there (amoung even the middle class) that voting for the DA is voting for the re-instatement of Apartheid.

I didn't make that up, I was told that by an up-and-coming, middle class, work colleague who had a degree and earned more than I did at the time. The ANC is not an attractive vote, but voting for a "white" party is more than disasterous.

Another thing is that there is no Mbeki ANC and Zuma ANC, it's the ANC. There's been a lot of talk about this recently, and everyone wants this fictional divide to happen, but it won't. No-one wants to stop using the title "ANC".

Gary

Better to vote for a nonracial party like the IFP, UDM, ID or ACDP.

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Derikboy,

Do you agree with the view that voting for the DA is voting for the re-instatement of apartheid?
Do you think that this is Helen Zille's goal?

Gary

Voting for the DA is NOT voting for the re-instatement of Apartheid.
But the DA do nothing to lessen this impresson with their failure to groom Black leaders.

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Derikboy,

Let's assume that the ANC splits..

Would you vote for the ANC (African Nicholson Communists) or the
ANPA (African National Prosecuting Agency)?

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Gary,

Why do you think that less than zero has been heard from the IFP, UDM, ID and ACDP over the last month?

Is it that they are irrelevant?

Is it that the media don't report what they nhave to say?

Is it that they don't actually exist?

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Gary,
If we are to go down the racial line....
How many white MP's do you think there should be in parliament? More or less than there are now?

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

2009 ....South African Protesters Trap Legislators!

In the light of Gary's warnings about The DA, and, moreover, taking inspiration from the current Thai protests, I am reserving a decent spot for 2009 on the Cape Town lawn close to the parliament building. Do any Supernatural readers want to join me? If so, please bring gas mask, snacks, long metal poles and various cold drinks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/world/asia/08thai.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

viva, viva,
blacklisted dictator/gorillamovement
(Leader of the People's Alliance for Democracy)

Gary

Anthony, I think that the opposition or aspiring ruling party must reflect the demographic base of the country as much as the ruling party does.

GaryGary

Personally I think the country should have not been a unitary state and should have partitioned into 13 states to reflect SA's 13 nations.
But once u except the premise of a unitary state you need to organize on a cross racial base or else organize like the Freedom Front does openly as a minority party.

Derikboy

BD

First Question: Do I think that voting for the DA is voting for the re-instatement of apartheid?

No, of course not. I think that the very idea is beyond stupid. It's laughable just to think that Helen's goal is anything even remotely "apartheid like", and in true impressionist style it's ludicrous to even suggest that Helen's leadership has a low degree of "Apartheidistic" influence :)

My point in mentioning it, is that the perception is out there and accepted as fact by many educated, second generation post-Apartheid middle class black voters. And if they accept that as common knowledge, then it is highly unlikely that the impoverished and uneducated populace will be thinking any different.

Second Question: Would you vote for the ANC (African Nicholson Communists) or the
ANPA (African National Prosecuting Agency)?

Lol.

Gary

I agree with the principles and policies of the DA, but they need to work harder on getting a more representative face, which they have been stubbornly resisting doing.

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Gary,
Sorry to hassle you but I don't think that you answered...

Why do you think that less than zero has been heard from the IFP, UDM, ID and ACDP over the last month?

Is it that they are irrelevant?

Is it that the media don't report what they nhave to say?

Is it that they don't actually exist?

Posted by: BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT | October 07, 2008 at 13:49

BLACKLISTED DICTATOR/GORILLAMOVEMENT

Does anybody want to join the People's Alliance for Democracy?

I will try to ensure that it is racially, demographically representative of the nation.

At present, I am leading the party but if a more charismatic black person rocks up, I am prepared to hold a leadership election.

Gary

Not really, Anthony, 800 ANC members crossed to the UDM in Port Elizabeth on 24 September followed by 300 in Limpopo a few days later.
And several hundred ANC members crossed to the ID in Cape Town.

Derikboy

Who wants to bet that:

There will be no seperate party formed out of the ANC defectors?

Gary

Split or no split.
If the ANC achieves another two thirds majority this time round, it means the election is rigged.

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