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May 03, 2006

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Anti-UN

I think that he is entitled to his own opinion but he must respect the state that he serves. In a public ceremony he has no right to use an honour which the state is endowing upon him as a way to allow him to send a political message.

Soldiers of the IDF are supposed to be apolitical are they not? (Actually I'm not so sure how fair that really is...)

You should ask that guy from the only in israel blog (he is on your blogroll) what he thinks since he is a soldier.

i dont mind if he doesnt get the award now.

Steve

Nili I tend to agree with your sentiments.

I am not happy with the soldiers display but he is entitled to his own political opinions. his own likes and dislikes. That said, an army has a very strong need for discipline and respect. And the Chief of Staff should be respected - especially in public.

But his service obviously demanded acknowledgement and so he was being rewarded. His actions at the ceremony do not change the good service that he has provided and so he should in my mind still receive the award. He probably served well during the disengagement and I have absolute respect for the soldiers who opposed disengagement ideologically yet still managed to provide the service that the state demanded.

But the IDF must not let that lack of respect become commonplace - so what can be done to signal that that sort of behaviour is unacceptable?

As Anti-Un says, an award ceremoney should not be leveraged by the soldier as a tool to send a political message.

But I dont know enough about the Military to even suggest how they can still give the award and still send a message that this must not happen again (in public).

Mike

As far as I know, active soldiers are barred from making public political statements. This was clearly a public political statement and is thus a violation of Israeli law. He should thus be put on trial in a military court and sentenced to the full extend of the law.

However, his prize should not be revoked. His political positions should not be a test for brave military service. That is a disgrace. A strong country should encourage internal criticism. It should not be punished.

For me the real dilemma relates to banning soldiers from expressing political opinions freely. Is that justified in a democratic society?

Just a Caring Individual

Israelis are so quick to throw soliders who refuse to serve in the OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN LAND into the pits - yet when they show extreme right wing sentiments they are given awards.

Steve

Ummm...just ignore the above comment. Please dont feed him by responding. He clearly has misread the entire account of what is being discussed. Just like he has misread history.

Darren

Don't feed the troll. They are generally dim-witted, and while their bites are not particularly dangerous they do tend to poison whatever they sink into.

I pretty much agree with the rest of the comments here. Serving members of the IDF are supposed to be apolitical in the carrying out of their duties, and what this soldier has done is completely unprofessional. The IDF has no option but to punish him, because that sort of behaviour cannot be allowed to spread. It's also a bit of a slippery slope; today soldiers might be refusing to shake the hand of the chief of staff, in a few months they might be refusing legitimate orders because of their political beliefs.

As for the award, it all depends on what sort of award it was. "Outstanding service" is rather ambiguous, but it doesn't sound to me like an award for bravery. Rather, it is more likely one of those "good service" awards, and as such it makes sense to re-evaluate his receiving it in light of his most recent action.

SnoopyTheGoon

I would say that both sides in this "drama" have displayed childish behavior. Which is a bit more excusable for the soldier than it is for CoS, taking into account the age difference between the two.

Punishing the youngster after the fact will only strengthen his opinion.

Anti-UN

But the punishment has nothing to do with changing his opinion. He is entitles to his opinion. He is just not entitled to express it publicly when he is representing the IDF.

So they dont care that they will strengthen his opinion.

Gary

You can't blame the guy for being bitter if his family where forced out of their homes , to appease the Arabs?

Nili Scham

I think the issue here is not if the soldier was correct or incorrect - he was obviously wrong - but what response the army should take. It was incorrect of the soldier to express his political views in such a public manner. I think that the correct punishment was to remove the soldier from his brigade(which was done) but definatly not to re-examine his award of excellence as a soldier. What he did does not take away from his previous performance as a soldier!

Nili Scham

Another update:

Meged (the soldier) has given Dan Halutz an ultimatum:

"Meged has requested that Halutz publicly announce, within three days, that he committed no offense and that he be reinstated to his unit.

In a letter written to Halutz by Meged's attorney Adi Keidar, Meged will petition the High Court of Justice immediately following the three-day deadline if Halutz does not acquiesce to the demand. "

This is, in my opinion, ridiculous! The soldier acted in a political way in a public setting and was punished for his actions. I feel that by giving the chief of staff an ultimatum is showing unbelievable Chutzpah, no regard for military law and should be grounds for oust him from his post for showing such utter disrespect.

Steve

I agree. But on a purely legal platform Meged may be safe.

The Haaretz article states "The soldier came up onto the stage, saluted Lieutenant General Dan Halutz as required by military orders and therein fulfilled his duty."

Nili Scham

Interesting to see if that also holds in a military court. It will be interesting to see the final outcome!

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